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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man – Number 5

Friday, September 30th, 2011

Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man

Number 5

IF Palestinians AND Israelis Accept Quartet Proposal For Peace Talks

And Negotiate through December 2012 Without Reaching Agreement

Middle East War is likely to begin at a point in time twixt 2013 & 2015

September 30, 2011

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The Palestinians are now beginning to consider the Quartet Peace Plan offered at the UN, where they said they would not. Israel’s PM Netanyahu at the UN looked upon the Quartet Plan favorably. There is a slight chance Abbas and Netanyahu might agree to continue negotiations through next year (2012). If they don’t reach an agreement, that makes it very likely a Middle East war between Israel and Islam will begin at some point in time between 2013 and 2015.

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The Following Excerpt from France 24 International News gives the details of the Quartet Peace Plan offer to Palestinians and Israelis at the United Nations.

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Palestinians ‘encouraged’ by Quartet peace proposal

September 29, 2011

Palestinians welcomed a proposal to renew peace talks with Israel as “encouraging” on Thursday, nearly a week after international mediators known as the Quartet called for

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the two sides to meet within a month to discuss security and border issues.

By News Wires (text)

AFP – A proposal for new peace talks announced by the international peacemaking Quartet last week contains “encouraging elements,” a senior Palestinian official said on Thursday.

Speaking after a meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organisation’s executive committee, PLO secretary general Yasser Abed Rabbo said the proposal contained positive language.

“The Quartet statement contains encouraging elements and we call on Israel to announce its commitment to the principles and points of reference it identifies,” he told reporters.

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He said the Palestinians interpreted the language of the Quartet’s call for new talks, which referenced the peace plan known as the Road Map, as a demand for Israel to halt construction of settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

“We consider the Quartet’s reference to the obligations of the Palestinian and Israeli sides under the Road Map and the call to avoid provocative acts as a clear call for a definitive halt to settlement activity in all its forms, which is an encouraging sign,” he said.

The Quartet, composed of the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia, announced their bid to renew peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians on Friday.

It came shortly after the Palestinians submitted their bid to join the United Nations as a member state.

The proposal calls for talks to begin within a month, for both sides to produce concrete ideas on security and borders within three months, and for a final deal to be reached before the end of 2012.

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It says talks should be based on previous Security Council resolutions, the Road Map and the Arab peace initiative, and a speech given by US President Barack Obama in May.

Obama’s speech called for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to use the lines that existed before the 1967 Six Day War as a basis for deciding future borders.

Abed Rabbo praised the Quartet for laying out the timetable and referencing both previous peace proposals and Obama’s speech, but he stopped short of saying the Palestinians had explicitly accepted the call for new negotiations.

And he reiterated that the Palestinians will not hold peace talks unless Israel halts settlement construction and agrees to a clear framework for the negotiations.

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So far, the Quartet’s proposal has been cautiously received, with the Palestinians repeating calls for a settlement freeze and clear parameters and Israel saying only that it is studying the issue.

Abed Rabbo’s comments suggested the Palestinians plan to keep their position ambiguous for now, as Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas consults officials in Ramallah and seeks opinions from the Arab world.

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the Palestinians are also trying to boost support for their historic bid to win recognition as a state member of the United Nations.

Earlier on Thursday, Palestinian foreign minister Riyad al-Malki said eight members of the Security Council had pledged to approve

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to the General Assembly.

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Even if the nine votes are secured, the United States has pledged to veto the request, but the Palestinians hope to secure a diplomatic victory by winning a majority in the council.

The Palestinians are planning a diplomatic offensive, reaching out to council members Bosnia, Portugal and Colombia, which are currently undecided on the vote or have suggested they will abstain, Malki said.

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End Current Excerpt from France 23 International News

A BLOG QUOTE FROM PRE-TRIBULATION WORLD MAYHEM IN MANY THINGS OF CONCERN TO MAN – NUMBER 2, SEPTEMBER 27, 2011

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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man –

Number 2

September 27, 2011

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1. CONCERN ABOUT MIDDLE EAST PEACE INITIATION AND WAR

If both Palestinians and Israelis accept the Quartet’s new peace negotiation plan, and cannot reach a peace agreement by December 2012, then it seems very likely that a Middle East war will begin at some point in time between 2013 and 2015.

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Begin Current Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM POST STAFF

Palestinians: Quartet proposal has ‘encouraging elements’

By JPOST.COM STAFF

NOVEMBER 29, 2011 17:37

After PLO executive committee meeting, official Abed Rabbo says proposal calling for resumption of peace talks contained “positive language”; calls on Israel to announce commitment to principles it identifies.

The Quartet’s proposal for restarting peace negotiations contains “encouraging elements,” a senior Palestinian Authority official said on Thursday.

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PLO Secretary- General Yasser Abed Rabbo said after a meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organization’s executive committee that the proposal contained positive language.

He told reporters that the Quartet statement contains encouraging elements. “We call on Israel to announce its commitment to the principles and points of reference it identifies,” he said.

“We consider the Quartet’s reference to the obligations of the Palestinian and Israeli sides under the Road Map and the call to avoid provocative acts as a clear call for a definitive halt to settlement activity in all its forms, which is an encouraging sign,” he added.

On Tuesday evening, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu convened the inner cabinet of eight ministers to discuss the Quartet’s proposal. After a five-hour long meeting the ministers said that they supported the proposal but did not come to an official conclusion that it would be approved.

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Netanyahu said over the weekend in New York that he viewed the Quartet proposal favorably, but would wait to issue a formal response until he met with his senior ministers.

Even Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, representing the right flank in the inner cabinet, said this week that while he had reservations about the Quartet statement, “the fact that it calls for negotiations without preconditions is a great achievement for Israel.”

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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man – Number 4

Thursday, September 29th, 2011

Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man –

Number 4

Putin gets back in the Saddle to Support Prince of Meshech & Tubal

He’ll Ride South as CZAR on a Russian Bear At Armageddon Battle

With all the Old World Nations to Suffer a Horrific bloody Defeat

God’s fury comes up in his face and destroys Israel’s Enemies

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Russia failed to establish a Democracy – It has a last Czar

September 29, 2011

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Excerpt from an Article from the New York Times via Reuters

WAY OF THE WORLD

Failure Seen in Putin’s Latest Move

By CHRYSTIA FREELAND/REUTER

Published: September 29, 2011

We have known since 1996 that Russia wasn’t a democracy. We now know that Russia isn’t a dictatorship controlled by one party, one priesthood, or one dynasty. It is a regime ruled by one man.

“The party doesn’t exist,” said one of Russia’s leading independent economists.

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“The politics is all about one person.”

That new reality might seem to be a victory for Mr. Putin. But it is a flawed triumph. His resumption of absolute power is also an admission that he and his cronies have failed in the project they set themselves in 2008. And that failure leaves the future President Putin with an Achilles’ heel.

The project was to create a self-replicating institutional base for the regime Mr. Putin brought to power in 2000, when he took over from Boris N. Yeltsin and dismantled the fledgling democratic structures the first leader of independent Russia had either created or tolerated.

“In 2008, Putin’s message was, ‘We aren’t like a Central Asian republic, we aren’t going to build a personalistic regime, we will have institutions,”’ Ivan Krastev, chairman of the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia and one of the most astute students of Russian power, told me. “This is all abolished now. The very idea of a governing party and party career, as you have in China, that didn’t work.”

Russia’s transformation into what political scientists call a sultanistic or neo-patrimonial regime is a break both with Russian history and with the global trend. The Kremlin has been home to plenty of murderous dictators. But the czars drew their legitimacy from their blood and their faith.

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The general secretaries owed their power to their party and their ideology. Mr. Putin’s rule is based solely on the man himself.

Russia’s shift to sultanism is out of step with the rest of the world, too. The Arab Spring was a revolt against some of the world’s most powerful neo-sultans; it is no accident that most of the remaining Middle Eastern dictatorships are ruled by dynastic monarchs, not strongmen. And among the world’s great powers — a group to which Russia is desperate to belong — only the Kremlin’s ruler need say l’état, c’est moi. China is certainly authoritarian, but it is a one-party state of precisely the sort Mr. Putin has failed to build.

One characteristic of paternalistic regimes is that they rule through fear and humiliation — remember the refrains from the streets of Tunisia and Egypt about people protesting to regain their dignity. That is being lost in Russia. One analyst, who has always spoken to me freely before, asked not to be quoted.

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When I asked a Russian businessman who was traveling in Europe what his friends back home thought, he was shocked by my naïveté: Kremlin politics, he explained, was no longer an issue it was safe to discuss on Russian telephones.

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Begin 2 Archive Prophecy Updates from 10 years ago

ARCHIVE PROPHECY UPDATE NUMBER 35

September 28, 2001

Ezekiel 38:19 to 39:8 – For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

Verse 19 gives a general statement of what will happen in Israel. It will be the greatest shaking the Israelites have ever experienced. The Arabah Fault will split open from Lebanon to the Gulf of Arabah – the Mount of Olives will tear apart into two sections and a great valley will be formed through it – the western part of Jerusalem will be lifted up along a line from Geba to Rimmon – and many other prophesied phenomena will also occur. This geological upheaval is dealt with more fully in our web pages by clicking on “Birth Pangs,” and examining our Birth Pang Updates and associated Figures.

Ezekiel 38:20 – So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Verse 20 lets us know that the great shaking will not be limited just to Israel with its local Arabah Fault line – it will occur on a worldwide basis along all the thousands of interconnecting fault lines, both on land and on the sea floor (See Figure 3 under Birth Pang Updates). Read verse 20 very carefully and see if it does not very clearly picture a worldwide shaking of all things.

Ezekiel 38:21 – And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

Verse 21 describes the effect that the great worldwide upheaval will have on mankind – in a word, total mass confusion as to foe or friend, amidst fantastic casualty rates, among many different nationalities involved on the battlefield throughout God’s mountains.

Ezekiel 38:22 – And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Verse 22 paints a picture of the destruction that God will reign down upon Gog and his mighty army.

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It describes the fantastic array of pyroclastic associated materials, which will shower down on the antichrist’s army out of the volcanic activity unleashed, when the Jordan Valley tears open for about 185 miles (See Birth Pang Numbers 15 and 16)

Ezekiel 38:23 – Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am

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the Lord.

Verse 23 confirms that God has a purpose in all this geological upheaval and destruction – it should leave no doubt as to who is God and who is antichrist.

ARCHIVE PROPHECY UPDATE NUMBER 36

October 5, 2001

In Prophecy Update Number 35 we continued our exposition of Ezekiel 37:1 that began some four months ago in June, finishing with the last verse in chapter 38. This exposition will continue in chapter 39.

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Ezekiel 39:1 – Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

In Prophecy Updates 27 through 29 the 600 B.C. location where Meshech and Tubal’s descendants were settled was thoroughly covered, and a case

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was made to prove that Gog is most likely to come out of Syria. The location of Magog’s descendants was also outlined in these Prophecy Updates. Once again, we are advised that Gog is the enemy of God.

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Ezekiel 39:2 – And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

In the time frame this book was written, the expression “the north parts,” was taken to mean what we identify today as Syria and Lebanon. It is important to understand that God will do this without the help of man. He says: I will turn, I will cause, and I will bring. What he is about to unleash is the greatest geological upheaval Israel has known up to that time. It will destroy most of Gog’s mighty horde (See Birth Pangs 15 and 16 with their associated diagrams).

Ezekiel 39:3 – And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

This verse paints a picture of men abandoning their weapons in horrifying fear. The earthquakes and volcanic holocaust will so frighten the men of war that all thought of combat will be erased from their minds.

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They will drop their weapons as they flee for their lives.

Ezekiel 39:4 – Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

There won’t be any flesh left to pick on those soldiers of God caught in the Jordan Valley from the Gulf of Aqabah to the entrance of the Jezreel Valley (See Birth Pangs 15 and 16 with their associated diagrams). But there will be gobs of flesh on the bones found in interior hills of Judea, Samaria, and Galilee.

Ezekiel 39:5 – Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

Verse 5 reaffirms the principle of “I will” in verses 2 and 3. It confirms there is no way all this can be changed. Why? “For I have spoken it, saith the Lord God. We have short-changed the power of God ever since man began to develop weapons of massive destruction. I assure you that, by the end of the terror of the Tribulation Period, we will have seen how puny what we have developed is in comparison to God’s mighty arsenal.

Ezekiel 39:6-8 – And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord. [7] So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. [8] Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

Verse 6 – The Lord affirms he will send volcanic fire on the land of Magog (Russia), across the Mediterranean and the nations of Islam.

End 2 Archive Updates from 10 years ago

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Putin for Czar?

BY ERIC S MARGOLIS (Russia)

2 December 2007

RUSSIANS relish President Vladimir Putin’s earthy phrases. Reacting to sharp Western criticism of Russia’s parliamentary elections today, Putin, playing ‘Vlad the Bad’, warned Western powers not to “poke their snotty noses” in his nation’s business.

Putin, who has been increasingly outspoken of late, mocked President George W Bush’s double standard in accusing Russia of dubious elections, squashing opposition, and roughing up dissenters while ignoring similar behaviour by US ally Georgia. He could have also added other key US allies like Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan.

President Putin is right to tell off Western critics and limit foreign observation of Russian elections.

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Russia is a great, historic power, not some banana republic. If Western observers are really needed to supervise votes in Moscow, Omsk and Kaluga, then why shouldn’t Russian observers supervise America’s sometimes dodgy elections

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? For example, in Chicago, where the dead routinely vote; in Florida, where blacks are turned away; or Ohio where rigged voting machines gave Republicans victory in 2004 elections.

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Why, in fact, keep up the pretence that Russia conducts free and fair elections. Opposition parties have almost no funding, media is government controlled, parties winning less than 7 per cent of the vote are excluded, and there is no independent electoral commission. Today’s vote is really a referendum on President Putin’s popularity. Most polls show him with 70-80 per cent approval, making Putin one of the world’s most successful and admired leaders.

Former Intelligence officer Putin and his KGB old boys network have worked wonders for Russia. After a coup that ousted the sick, besotted Yeltsin, Putin inherited a bankrupt, demoralised nation subsisting on cash handouts from Washington. So low did ‘Weimar’ Russia sink, much of its advanced military technology was sold to the US for large cash payoffs.

Thanks to tough management, nationalisations, and rising oil prices caused in large part by George Bush’s foolhardy invasion of Iraq, Russia’s national income more than tripled under Putin. Equally important, Putin restored pride and a sense of dignity to this fiercely chauvinistic nation.

In the process, he centralised all power in the Kremlin, muzzled the independent press, intimidated opponents, jailed oligarchs, and created a cult of personality.

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He ruthlessly crushed the life out of independence-seeking Chechnya, thrilling Muslim-hating Russians by vowing to “kill the Chechen bandits in their s…houses”.

Most Russians couldn’t care less about the feeble little liberal parties clamouring for Western-style democracy. It’s a sad truism that Russians want order, economic progress and national pride, not democracy. Judo champion, abstemious Putin fits this bill perfectly as the historic ‘white czar’, a good, fatherly autocrat who is strong, manly, and pure.

To most Russians, ‘democracy’ is associated with the thieving oligarchs who pillaged Russia’s industries and resources during Yeltsin’s rule, and the ivory-tower economists who debauched Russia’s currency, leaving millions of pensioners to starve. Democracy is also seen by many Russians as a Trojan Horse the US used to assert financial and political influence over Russia, and later in Ukraine, Georgia and Central Asia.

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Putin says he wants to continue leading Russia. But he is constitutionally banned from a third presidential term. So does Putin plan to run Russia as an all-powerful prime minister, or as leader of his United Russia Party

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? Will he become a youthful elder statesman? Or will he change the constitution?

He may follow the example of Czar Ivan the Terrible, temporarily withdrawing from public life until throngs of supplicants beg him to return to Moscow as Czar.

Or he could just remain Citizen Vladimir Putin. The only formal title the great Deng Xiaoping held when he so brilliantly ruled China was Chairman of the Chinese Bridge Association.

Whatever Putin’s near-term political plans, he clearly intends to restore Russia’s role as a world power, and to challenge US global domination. Russia’s withdrawal this week from the European conventional arms treaty is the latest ominous sign.

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President Putin wants to restore the old Soviet Union’s borders, but minus the Communist Party, which has sunk to a miserable 7 per cent public support. Putin believes Russia’s vast energy and mineral resources will eventually make it the world’s leading power. Only 55 years old, Putin might even live to see this triumphant day.

Eric S. Margolis is a veteran American journalist and contributing foreign editor of The Toronto Sun.

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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man – Number 3

Tuesday, September 27th, 2011

Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man

Number 3

September 28, 2011

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Obama put many sub-czars in place when he rose to power as President of the United States, but when Putin rises again to a pre-planned Russian Presidency he won’t appoint sub-czars, for he will be the only Czar of the Russian Bear, and is likely to bring the Bear down with the nations that are gathered at the final great battle of Armageddon, which occurs on the pouring out of the last vial of wrath in Revelation.

Revelation 16:16-18 – And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

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[17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. [18] And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

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Daniel 12:1 – And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

SEE EXCERPT ABOUT RETURN OF PUTIN AS RUSSIAN PRESIDENT THAT FOLLOWS TWO ARCHIVE PROPHECY UPDATES

CONCERN OVER PRE-PLANNED RETURN OF THE CUNNING HARDLINER VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE RUSSIAN PRESIDENCY! I STRONGLY SUSPECT HE SHALL BE PRESIDENT OF THE LAND OF MAGOG WHEN THE CHIEF PRINCE OF MESHECH AND TUBAL FIRST ATTACKS ISRAEL. I BELIEVE IT IS LIKELY THE ATTACK WILL BEGIN BETWEEN 2013 AND 2015.

2001 ARCHIVE PROPHECY UPDATE NUMBER 27

Ezekiel 38:1,2 – “And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him.” Gog (high extension) appears for the first time in Ezekiel. He is the Anti-christ of whom so much has been written. Please note that he is identified as the “chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.” Many commentators, especially in the last 100 years, have not identified him as the Antichrist, but have

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identified him as the ruler or chief prince of the land of Magog, which I do not believe Scripture justifies. Before the 20th Century, most identified him as the Antichrist. In verse 2 Ezekiel is told to set his face against two separate things, a person and a place. The person is Gog (Antichrist), and the place is the land of the descendants of Magog where it existed in Ezekiel’s day. If we do not locate the territories of Magog, Meshech, and Tubal as they existed in Ezekiel’s day, then we can have no idea as to where the Antichrist will soon rear his head, or the area from which his attack will be launched. Why? Because more than 2500 years have slipped by since Ezekiel wrote his prophecies, and the bloodlines of all three men been distributed across the entire planet. In order to correctly identify the area, from whence the Antichrist will attack Israel, we must identify where the descendants of Meshech and Tubal were residing in 500 and 600 B.C. Why? Because the Antichrist is not the chief prince of Magog, he is the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. He will come from the area where their descendants were settled in 500 and 600 B.C.

I will attempt to use two different sources to locate where the descendants of Meshech and Tubal were clustered at the time of Ezekiel’s writings. The first is found in the 27th chapter of Ezekiel, and the second is from the Assyrian monument stones of that period. Ezekiel 27:3 – “And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, which art a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord God; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I am of perfect beauty.” Tyrus (Tyre) was a seaport on the southern coast of what we know today as Lebanon, which is directly north of Israel. Tyrus built its first great sea wall to protect its harbored ships more than 3000 years ago, and was a thriving seaport in Ezekiel’s day. Its ships carried merchandise from the countries of

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the east across all the Mediterranean, and even as far north as the shores of the English Channel. Zidon (Sidon) was also a sea port, and less than 20 miles separated the two cities. The wise men of Tyrus were the navigators of the ships, and the men of Zidon were the deck hands, as portrayed in Ezekiel 27:8 – “The inhabitants of Zidon and Arvad were thy mariners: thy wise men, O Tyrus, that were in thee, were thy pilots.” Now, bearing all this in mind, let us look at Ezekiel 27:13 – “Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.” Meshech and Tubal were warlike tribes, who often took their captives (persons of men) and the vessels of brass they had captured, or hammered out themselves, and carried them to the NEAREST seaport for trading.

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Why the NEAREST seaport? Because, in Ezekiel’s day, travel was by foot, donkey, camel, and horse. People always carried their trading goods to the nearest port, particularly slaves. Therefore, I conclude that Meshech and Tubal must have roamed in the area we know today as Syria, Lebanon, northwestern Iraq, and southern Turkey. Meshech and Tubal are the Mushki and Tabali of the Assyrian stone monuments. In the time of Sargon and Sennacherib (700 B.C.) the territory of Tubal adjoined southern Cilicia, while that of Meshech filled the highlands to the east of Tubal. Considering the locations derived from the Bible and stone tablets, it appears that the Antichrist, as the chief prince of the area once occupied by Meshech and Tubal, is likely to arise, and eventually to attack Israel, from Syria or Lebanon. And, since Lebanon is virtually controlled by Syria, it appears Syria is the best guess for his homeland.

But what about the land of Magog? Where were the Magogites settled in Ezekiel’s day? Lord willing, we will attempt to zero in on that area in Prophecy Update Number 28.

2001 ARCHIVE PROPHECY UPDATE NUMBER 28

Ezekiel 38:1-3 – “And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, [3] And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:”

In Prophecy Update Number 27 we established, from the Scriptures and the Assyrian stone monuments, that the descendants of Meshech and Tubal, at the time Ezekiel wrote his prophecies, were primarily located in what we know as Syria and Lebanon. We also established that the prophecy is again a person, Gog (Antichrist), and against a land, the land of Magog. I am convinced that the Antichrist will attack Israel from Syria. Now, what about the “land of Magog?” Where were the Magogites located at the time of Ezekiel’s writings? Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian makes the following statements concerning the Magogites in Antiquities of the Jews, Chapter VI, under the title, HOW EVERY NATION WAS DENOMINATED FROM THEIR FIRST INHABITANTS: “Japhet, the son of Noah, had seven sons.” “They called the nations by their own names.” “Magog founded those that from him were called Magogites, but who by the Greeks were called Scythians.” The Greek writers of the Classic Age said the Scythians occupied the area which today we identify as stretching from Moldova eastward across the Ukraine, southern Russia, and into Kazakhstan, then southward into Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan – Roughly the area north of the Black Sea, between the Black and Caspian Seas, and the area northwest, north, and northeast of the Caspian Sea. I do not believe the nations in this area will join in the initial attack against Israel, but I am certain they will come down for the final battle of Gog’s war, which is the Battle of Armageddon.

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The Battle of Armageddon, found in Revelation 16:16, is the final battle in Gog’s war, which began 3 and ½ years earlier.

Verse 3 fails to include the “land of Magog,” and is a message directly pointed, and personally addressed, against the Antichrist Gog, who once again is identified as the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. Popular writers in the last century brought a teaching into play that is simply not true. They said the word “chief” was “rosh” in the Hebrew language, which is true. But they said it meant “Russian,” which is not true. The Russian and Hebrew language have never overlapped in history to support such a claim.

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He is not a Russian prince. He is the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, most likely having a Syrian father. The word “rosh,” in the KJV, is translated as “chief” 90 times, as “head” 349 times, as “top” 75 times, as “beginning” 14 times, as “company” 12 times, as “captain” 10 times, as “sum” 9 times, as “first” 6 times, as “principle” 5 times, as “chief man” 4 times, and as “ruler” on two occasions. At no time, in all of history, could it legitimately be identified as someone who is a Russian.

I’m certain the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal will come from northwestern Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, or southern Turkey, but I will be very much surprised if his father is not a Syrian. He will be the leader of a multilateral Arab force that will carry out a surprise attack against Israel from the north. I believe this is spoken of in Revelation 17:12,13 – “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. [13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”

Although he will have the support of ten Arab nations, I believe the nations directly involved in the initial attack will be Syria, Lebanon, Turkey Iraq, and Iran from without, and the Palestinians from within. I believe the other nations, which will then immediately become involved in the Jihad, are most likely Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Sudan.

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The genius of Vladi¬mir Putin

By Ralph Peters, Published: September 26

There is one incontestably great actor on the world stage today, and he has no interest in following our script. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin — soon to be Russia’s president again — has proven remarkably effective at playing the weak strategic hand he inherited, chalking up triumph after triumph while confirming himself as the strong leader Russians crave. Not one of his international peers evidences so profound an understanding of his or her people, or possesses Putin’s canny ability to size up counterparts.

Putin’s genius — and it is nothing less — begins with an insight into governance that eluded the “great” dictators of the last century: You need control only public life, not personal lives. Putin grasped that human beings need to let off steam about the world’s ills, and that letting them do so around the kitchen table, over a bottle of vodka, does no harm to the state.

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His tacit compact with the Russian people is that they may do or say what they like behind closed doors, as long as they don’t take it into the streets. He saw that an authoritarian state that stops at the front door is not only tolerable but also more efficient.

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he kills or imprisons them. But there are no great purges, no Gulag — only carefully chosen, exemplary victims, such as anti-corruption activist Sergei Magnitsky, who died in police custody, or the disobedient billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky, imprisoned on charges Russians regard as black humor.

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Western consciences may be briefly troubled, but Putin knows the international community won’t impose meaningful penalties. Seduced by Kremlin policies — from oil and gas concessions to cynical hints of strategic cooperation — Western leaders have too many chips in the game.

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And at home, the common people, the chorny narod, don’t mind. Instead, they gloat when the czar cuts off the beards of the boyars — or humbles an envied oligarch. As for gadfly journalists, Putin wagered that they could be eliminated with impunity, as in the case of Anna Politkovskaya. Our outrage is pro forma and temporary.

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sense of his people is matchless. His bare-chested poses seem ludicrous to us, but Russians see a nastoyashi muzhik, a “real man.” And his sobriety makes him the fantasy husband of Russia’s beleaguered wives.

Not least, Putin has renewed Russian confidence in the country’s greatness. Consistently playing an international role far greater than Russia’s capabilities warrant, he reawakened the old Stalinist sense that while the people may suffer, they do so in service to a greater destiny.

Internationally, he sizes up interlocutors with the deftness of the skilled agent-handler he was in the bad old days. His outbursts of temper and brutal language make news (while, again, appealing to his base), but his policies are cold-blooded, ruthless — and strikingly successful.

It’s worth noting how much Putin has achieved: Like his hero, Peter the Great, he tamed the new nobility (of wealth) and consolidated the power of the state. He returned Russia to great-power status — largely through bluff. He steamrolled a one-sided new START agreement over American negotiators who desperately wanted a deal. His manipulation of Europe has given him virtually every pipeline agreement he wanted while sidelining NATO’s new members in the east and keeping Ukraine weak and disunited. He dismembered Georgia but paid no price for it. He has even achieved a grip over supplies for our troops in Afghanistan second only to the chokehold we granted Pakistan in a fit of strategic ineptitude.

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If Putin has a weakness, it’s his disdain for economics. Russia relies on oil and gas exports to a potentially fatal degree. Yet that, too, stems from calculated policy: A diversified economy and consequent diffusion of wealth would make Russia far more difficult to control. Today’s relative handful of oligarchs fit perfectly into the mold of the old czarist nobility (if with fewer social graces): They spend ostentatiously, party abroad and remain politically docile. Putin would rather risk a monopoly economy than a proliferation of power bases.

For centuries Moscow called itself the “Third Rome,” after the cities of St. Peter and Constantine. The allusion may be particularly apt, since Putin has done what a series of strong emperors did after the first fall of Rome or the Fourth Crusade’s sack of Constantinople: He has restored, if briefly, a fallen glory.

Demographically, economically, developmentally, militarily, even educationally, Russia appears doomed to fierce decline. But one man of genius has brought his people a last, autumnal reprieve. Vladimir Putin is a dangerous man, but a splendid czar.

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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man – Number 2

Tuesday, September 27th, 2011

Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man –

Number 2

September 27, 2011

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CONCERN ABOUT MIDDLE EAST PEACE INITIATION AND WAR

If both Palestinians and Israelis accept the Quartet’s new peace negotiation plan, and cannot reach a peace agreement by December 2012, then it seems very likely that a Middle East war will begin at some point in time between 2013 and 2015.

Begin Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM POST

Merkel urges Abbas to accept Quartet peace initiative

By JPOST.COM STAFF

09/27/2011 02:25

German chancellor telephones PA president, “insisting on opening negotiations” based on plan with December 2012 deadline.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to agree to the Quartet of Middle East mediators’ proposal to renew peace talks with Israel,

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A spokesman for the German leader said that she “spoke by telephone with Abbas, insisting on opening negotiations with Israel on the basis of the Quartet’s proposal,” according to the report.

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Abbas said on Sunday that he would not give his opinion on the Quartet’s proposal until he disusses the initiative with the Palestinian leadership in Ramallah.

He reiterated that Israel must accept the pre-1967 lines as a basis for negotiations and completely halt construction in settlements before he would agree to resume talks.

The Middle East Quartet – the US, EU, Russia and the UN – has been trying for months to come up with a formula that would enable direct talks.

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Its formula was released on Friday afternoon, after Abbas formally submitted a letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon seeking full UN membership.

The Quartet statement urged the parties “to overcome the current obstacles and resume direct bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations without delay or preconditions.”

Acknowledging that talks by themselves will not reestablish trust, the Quartet proposed the following: a “preparatory meeting” between the parties within a month to agree to an agenda and a “method of proceeding in the negotiation.” The two sides will commit that the objective is to “reach an agreement within a time frame agreed to by the parties but not longer than the end of 2012.”

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told The Jerusalem Post on Monday that Israel would not declare a new settlement freeze to get the Palestinians to agree to the Quartet’s formula for a renewal of talks.

Herb Keinon and Tovah Lazaroff contributed to this report.

CONCERN ABOUT U.S. WAR IN AFGHANISTAN

Begin Excerpt from MEMRI

Middle East Media Review Institute

Special Dispatch Number 4164

September 25, 2011

Taliban Video: ‘The Caliphate Will Soon Be Established In Afghanistan As Well As In Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Chechnya And Elsewhere In The Islamic World’

A new video released by the Afghan Taliban shows the triumphant Taliban fighters taking control of a military base in the Tangi Dara valley, which was until recently under the control of U.S. and NATO troops, in Afghanistan’s Maidan-Wardak province.

The video – “Fateh [Victory] Caravan” – was released on the jihadist internet forum Shumoukh Al-Islam. A triumphant Taliban commander, who has not been identified, makes this statement after the victory:

” On behalf of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, I congratulate the whole Islamic world.

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Insha Allah (God willing) we are standing at the doorsteps of the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate and will soon free Afghanistan from the U.S.-led forces.

“The Caliphate will soon be established in Afghanistan as well as in Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Chechnya and elsewhere in the Islamic world. They (Mujahideen in other states) and we (Afghan Mujahideen) are waiting for the enforcement of Islamic Caliphate on the whole land of God.”

CONCERN ABOUT SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS TO TERRORIST NATIONS

Begin Excerpt from DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

Egypt uncovers Libyan SA-24 anti-air missiles and sea mines bound f or Gaza

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DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 26, 2011, 2:14 PM (GMT+02:00)

Helped by highly sophisticated contraband weapons smuggled out of Libya, Iran and Hizballah are getting the Palestinian Hamas equipped for another round of hostilities with Israel.

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DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Sunday, Sept. 25, Egyptian security forces, acting on information from a Western intelligence source, homed in near Ismailia on a large half-empty buried cache of advanced SA-24 anti-air infrared missiles (a version of the US Stinger) stored there en route from Libya to Gaza.

The information came too late to block delivery; most of the crates were found empty of their contents of missiles and other military equipment which must already be on their way to Sinai or Gaza. Some of the empty containers were found to have contained Russian-made MDM-3 sea mines, of the type Muammar Qaddafi scattered around Libyan ports in May to keep NATO vessels at bay.

Our North African sources report that many of Qaddafi’s weapons stores were seized by the rebels and their contents sold by some of the officers to the highest bidders.

Tripoli today is under the sway of several rival militias belonging to the rebel National Transitional Council.

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An oversight committee of American, British, French and Italian delegates is trying to track down the advanced weaponry which the rebels seized during the NATO-led advance into the capital on Aug.

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21. They have been questioning the Libyan rebel officers placed in charge of the arms stores and Libyan weapons dealers for information.

The CIA agents on the committee are aware that Hizballah and Hamas purchasing missions armed with Iranian petrodollars established a presence some months ago in Benghazi, seat of the NTC which has not yet moved to Tripoli.

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Those agents elude discovery in the mayhem prevailing in rebel ranks and may be hiding in one of the rebel commands operating outside Benghazi.

But the NATO commission has managed to find out roughly what happens to the smuggled arms after they are spirited out of Tripoli, DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources report. Some are bound for southern Libya and Niger, where Qaddafi loyalists holed up in the Sahel desert on the fringes of the Sahara take delivery: The second destination is Algeria for Al Qaeda in the Maghreb; and the third is the Gaza Strip through Egypt and Sinai.

The introduction of sophisticated anti-air infrared missiles and sea mines into areas abutting on Israel’s land and sea borders has given its army chiefs and strategists a serious headache. The SA-24s would give the Hamas an anti-air capability on a par with that of the Hizballah and consists three elements:

– The SA-24s which are portable air defense missiles with a range of 5.2 kilometers, an operational ceiling of 3.5 kilometers and Mach 2.3 speed.

Depending mainly on visual scanning, they can also be fired at night and are effective against fighter planes, armored helicopters, drones and diverse surface-to surface missiles, including cruise missiles.

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– SA-14 (Strela-3) has a small and very precise solid propellant guided missile as well as an improved system for overcoming countermeasures. Its range is 4.5 kilometers and operational ceiling 3 kilometers.

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– The SA-7 (Strela-2) has a 3.6 kilometer range, operational ceiling from 15 meters to 1.5 kilometers and Mach 1.75.

Hamas is therefore armed with weapons capable of attacking high-, medium- and low-flying objects, including planes, helicopters and drones over and outside the Gaza Strip in southwest Israel including the port towns of Ashdod and Ashkelon.

Sea mines if Hamas can sow them in eastern Mediterranean waters would severely impair the Israeli and Egyptian navies’ freedom of navigation.

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There is the additional danger of mines drifting ashore.

Our military sources report that Iran, Hizballah and Hamas employ experts with specialist knowledge of deep Mediterranean currents. They use them for Iranian freighters to skirt Israel’s naval blockade against the Gaza Strip and throw arms consignments overboard for Hizballah and Hamas to be carried ashore by currents.

Both radical terrorist groups are now in possession of a stock of Libyan sea mines which can be used with the help of these experts for striking precise locations on the Israeli coast.

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Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Mankind – Number 1

Monday, September 26th, 2011

Pre-Tribulation World Mayhem in Many Things of Concern to Man

Number 1

Manifested By Chicago Style Obama Politics In The United States

Against any Agency that exposes failures in his novice Decisions

PLUS the Middle East Mayhem Twixt Pakistan and United States

September 26, 2011

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The stock market will continue to go up and down like a yoyo, but one day will go down like a yoyo, and keep on falling till it hits bottom and stays there. Investors are running scared worldwide driving all yoyos up and down on, ever increasing on bits and peaces of whims and rumors. But anyone who thinks this world mayhem will have a happy ending before a Middle East war is in for a surprise.

PERILOUS TIMES INCLUDES FINANCIAL DISTRESS

II Timothy 3:1 – This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

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Haggai 1:5,6 – Now therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Consider your ways. [6] Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.

Begin Excerpt from UPI via World News

Largarde: IMF fund not enough

Published: Sept. 25, 2011 at 4:39 PM

WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 (UPI) — Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, warned that its $384 billion emergency bail-out fund might not be enough.

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Our lending capacity of almost $400 billion looks comfortable today, but pales in comparison with the potential financing needs of vulnerable countries and crisis bystanders,” she said at the annual IMF meeting in Washington.

The announcement came after a plan was revealed to increase the European Financial Stability Facility fund, The Sunday Telegraph reported.

The plan is part of a strategy to stop the European debt crisis from spiraling out of control and to prepare for a Greek default.

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ary Timothy Geithner, at a Sept. 16 Ecofin meeting, said that the banking problems in Europe were “the most serious risk now confronting the world economy.”

FIRST IMMEDIATE CONCERN

A World Concern of a Meltdown of the Euro Currency

Begin Excerpt from THE INDEPENDENT

Meltdown fears for euro as G20 makes plans for Athens to default on debt

Finance Minister signals Greece may opt for 50 per cent writedown on bonds as top economist warns Spain and Italy could be forced out of single currency

By Ben Chu in Washington and Margareta Pagano in London

Sunday, 25 September 2011

The world’s leading economic powers are moving towards an acceptance that Greece will default on up to half of its €350bn sovereign debts, according to reports from meetings in Washington yesterday. They are believed to be working on concrete plans to deal with these huge losses and their repercussions.

This news – almost regardless of any words of qualification that emerge this weekend – will have a resounding effect on the febrile markets when they open on Monday.

Unconfirmed reports circulated yesterday that G20 leaders have recognised that the Athens government cannot cope with the scale of its debt burden and that there will eventually need to be a considerable reduction in the face value of Greek debt. The Finance Minister, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted by two Greek newspapers as suggesting that a 50 per cent writedown for the holders of Greek bonds would be the “best option”.

The priority for national policymakers now, apparently, is to contain the impact by recapitalising banks and boosting the powers of the European bailout fund by the time of the next G20 meeting in November. The global debt crisis has entered a dangerous phase.” Asked whether the G20 was preparing for Last night, the Chancellor, George Osborne, said: “There is a recognition here that a Greek default, he tried to dampen speculation by saying: “No one has put forward a plan for a Greek default.”

The reports that officials are planning for default coincided with a warning from Dr Nouriel Roubini, the economist known as “Dr Doom” since he predicted the 2008 credit meltdown, that unless European leaders beef up the resources of the eurozone bailout fund, Italy and Spain could be forced out of the euro by panicking markets.

The US economist said in an interview: “Italy and Spain are toast, unless we have a tripling or four times as much of official resources to backstop them.” In the interview with Emerging Markets magazine, he said that another global downturn is now inevitable and that the only open question is how severe it will be. “At this point the debate is not whether we’re going to have a double-dip recession or not. The double dip has started. The only question is whether we are going to have a mild recession in advanced economies or whether we’re going to have a severe recession… The answer depends on whether you can keep Italy and Spain.”

End of Excerpt from THE INDEPENDENT

SECOND IMMEDIATE CONCERN (1st Excerpt shows what started it and the 2nd shows what it has led to)

1ST Excerpt on Second Immediate Concern from BBC News & Canada

Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’

Mike Mullen

September 22, 2011

Outgoing chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen was speaking to a US Senate panel

The most senior US military officer has accused Pakistan’s spy agency of supporting the Haqqani group

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in last week’s attack on the US Kabul embassy.

“The Haqqani network… acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency,” Adm Mike Mullen told a Senate panel.

Some 25 people died in last Tuesday’s 20-hour attack on Kabul’s US embassy and other official buildings.

Pakistan’s interior minister earlier denied links with the Haqqani group.

Rehman Malik told the BBC Pakistan was determined to fight all militants based on its border with Afghanistan.

Pakistani officials have consistently denied links with militant groups.

US-Pakistan ties deteriorated sharply after the killing of al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden on Pakistani soil by US commandos in May.

‘Credible intelligence’

The Kabul attack on 13 September left 11 civilians dead, as well as at least four police and 10 insurgents.

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These comments are just the latest and most extreme in a series of statements that will be seen in Pakistan as incendiary.

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They will generate concern in government circles as well as among the wider public.

Pakistanis have long been worried that the Afghan war is coming to their side of the border.

The Haqqani network – and Pakistan’s alleged relationship with it – has been a source of frustration for the US. But only today Pakistan’s interior minister denied any links. Pakistan will also be keen to remind people that it too is in the grip of terror.

In the 1980s when militants were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, the head of the Haqqani network was nurtured by Pakistani intelligence – and indeed

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Some analysts believe the links between the militants and Pakistan’s intelligence are still alive. But others say that Pakistan’s secret service no longer has control over the potent militant groups it helped create.

“With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted a truck bomb attack [on 11 September], as well as the assault on our embassy,” said Adm Mullen.

“We also have credible intelligence that they were behind the 28 June attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations.”

In July Adm Mullen, who steps down this month as chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, accused Pakistan’s government of sanctioning the killing of investigative journalist Saleem Shahzad.

Pakistan called that statement “irresponsible”.

Correspondents say that during his tenure, Adm Mullen has been a forceful advocate for maintaining dialogue with Pakistan and with its military establishment.

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He was said to be close to the Pakistani army’s chief of staff, Gen Ashfaq Kayani. Indeed, Adm Mullen is thought to have made more visits to Pakistan than any other senior US official or chief of staff in recent times.

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Strained ties

The Haqqani network, which is closely allied to the Taliban and reportedly based in Pakistan, has been blamed for several high-profile attacks against Western, Indian and government targets in Afghanistan.

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It is often described by Pakistani officials as a predominantly Afghan group, but correspondents say its roots reach deep inside Pakistani territory, and speculation over its links to Pakistan’s security establishment refuses to die down.

The Haqqani network is thought have bases in Pakistan’s volatile tribal regions

US officials have long been frustrated at what they perceive to be Pakistani inaction against the Haqqani network, and analysts say US concern about the group’s capabilities is particularly acute as Nato begins withdrawing troops from Afghanistan.

Earlier this month, Washington said it could target the Haqqani network on Pakistani soil if the authorities there failed to take action against the militants.

But on Thursday, Mr Malik told the BBC that Pakistan’s government had taken “very, very strict actions” whenever it had received information about militant groups.

“We will not allow any terrorist to operate from our area, from our side, irrespective of any country, including Afghanistan,” he said. “I assure you that, if their presence is there and which is detrimental, action is going to be taken.”

Mr Malik said his government’s efforts were hindered by the fact that neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan had control over some parts of the border area between them.

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“There is no biometric system on the border. Forty thousand to 50,000 people cross this border every day. It is very difficult to keep an eye on everyone.

“[The US Senate’s linking of $1bn US assistance to Pakistan to its action again Haqqani and others] will not make Pakistanis happy,” he added. “We have sacrificed 35,000 lives [in fighting terrorism] and have suffered economic losses.”

Ties between the US and Pakistan had already been strained by continuing US drone strikes targeting militants in the tribal areas and the controversy over the release of Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor who killed two Pakistani men in Lahore.

2NT Excerpt on Second Immediate Concern from Global Research via World News

Mayhem in the Middle East between US and Pakistan

Begin Excerpt 2 from Global Research via World News

Strategic Mayhem: From America’s Drone Attacks to an All Out US-NATO War on Pakistan?

By Brig. Imran Malik

The writer is a retired brigadier and former defense attaché in Australia and New Zealand.

Global Research, September 25, 2011

The US and Pakistan have an intrinsic clash of strategic interests in the South-Central Asian Region (SCAR). They have managed to remain reluctant and unwilling allies thus far in the global war on terror, but now face the moment of truth.

The issue of the Haqqani Network (HN) has assumed decisive proportions in the wake of the Taliban attack on the US Embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul recently. The US blamed Pakistan for waging a proxy war against it and the HN and the ISI for direct involvement in this attack. They seek vengeance and just retribution. Pakistan’s assertions to the contrary have predictably been rejected. Some analysts conclude that the US-Pakistan embroilment is escalating exponentially – from a veritably Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) to a Low Intensity War (LIW) and now potentially to a full-fledged one.

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It could also carry out hot pursuit operations chasing down the supposed HN militants into Pakistan or try to snatch its top leader (like one of the senior Haqqanis) a la Osama bin Laden. It could also re-energise the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) to increase violent attacks from Kunar and Nooristan into Dir and Bajaur. It could also carry out blistering strategic bombings – cruise and ballistic missile strikes on the HN hideouts and installations – collateral damage be damned! However, the worst case scenario would be if the US/NATO/ISAF/Afghan forces were to cross the Durand Line.

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Pakistan will contest this incursion with matching ferocity, violence, willpower and determination. It is further likely to squeeze and block USA’s critical logistics supplies and completely stop all intelligence sharing and counter-terrorism/military cooperation with it. Once both belligerents join the battle in earnest, ironically, a point of no return will be reached, a critical threshold will be breached and a decades-old relationship would come to a sorry and unpleasant end. The biggest irony would be that in this strategic equation, despite its losses in men and material, Pakistan would be erroneously perceived to be on the HN’s side; though it would solely be defending its own territorial integrity and sovereignty! And such a perception would have dire strategic implications for it.

Were the US and Pakistan forces to get embroiled with each other it would lead to a strategic mayhem. Would the other nations in the US-led coalition also attack Pakistan? Whether they dither or attack, would there be dire implications for their relations with the US, Pakistan and in their respective internal domestic politics? In case the engagement prolongs, then the US would need to draw additional troops from within Afghanistan inviting violent Al-Qaeda and Taliban attacks on those weakened positions.

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That will cause the withdrawal of US forces to be delayed beyond 2014. Could all this be a ploy for such a desired end state?

End 2 Excerpts from Global Research via World News and BBC News & Canada

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